Comments on: Recent flooding only a taste of things to come http://www.stephenkinsella.net/2009/11/23/recent-flooding-only-a-taste-of-things-to-come/ classes/papers/rants Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:29:42 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Stephen Kinsella http://www.stephenkinsella.net/2009/11/23/recent-flooding-only-a-taste-of-things-to-come/#comment-13452 Stephen Kinsella Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:03:10 +0000 http://www.stephenkinsella.net/?p=3026#comment-13452 [...] recent flooding has exposed three painful facts. First, increased flooding as a result of climate change is [...] [...] recent flooding has exposed three painful facts. First, increased flooding as a result of climate change is [...]

]]> By: barratree http://www.stephenkinsella.net/2009/11/23/recent-flooding-only-a-taste-of-things-to-come/#comment-13431 barratree Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:12:59 +0000 http://www.stephenkinsella.net/?p=3026#comment-13431 Don't think webcams would be that much use if no one has interest to watch it. Was involved in campaign on keeping the college green bus gate open recently and councillors were unwilling to request a rollcall vote on the issue. We got enough to ask for it and its shocking who voted against the measure, even when they admitted there was no evidence that it was causing damage to business etc. Only time I've ever seen any interest in Dublin City Council business. Don’t think webcams would be that much use if no one has interest to watch it. Was involved in campaign on keeping the college green bus gate open recently and councillors were unwilling to request a rollcall vote on the issue. We got enough to ask for it and its shocking who voted against the measure, even when they admitted there was no evidence that it was causing damage to business etc. Only time I’ve ever seen any interest in Dublin City Council business.

]]> By: Stephen Kinsella http://www.stephenkinsella.net/2009/11/23/recent-flooding-only-a-taste-of-things-to-come/#comment-13430 Stephen Kinsella Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:36:18 +0000 http://www.stephenkinsella.net/?p=3026#comment-13430 Barra, I could not agree with you more. We need to increase transparency and accountability at all levels. Two simple solutions would be webcams in official meetings, and jail terms. Barra, I could not agree with you more. We need to increase transparency and accountability at all levels. Two simple solutions would be webcams in official meetings, and jail terms.

]]> By: barratree http://www.stephenkinsella.net/2009/11/23/recent-flooding-only-a-taste-of-things-to-come/#comment-13426 barratree Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:12:21 +0000 http://www.stephenkinsella.net/?p=3026#comment-13426 The role of local government in overturning development plans (which were in themselves poor), building on flood planes etc has some how been over looked. Looking to 2050, the future structure of Irish local gov particularly funding is a major issue. The role of local government in overturning development plans (which were in themselves poor), building on flood planes etc has some how been over looked. Looking to 2050, the future structure of Irish local gov particularly funding is a major issue.

]]> By: Stephen http://www.stephenkinsella.net/2009/11/23/recent-flooding-only-a-taste-of-things-to-come/#comment-13422 Stephen Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:03:44 +0000 http://www.stephenkinsella.net/?p=3026#comment-13422 Hi Norman, Thanks for your comment. I'm not a fanatic about climate change. I've examined the ICARUS data and simulation methods myself, observation by observation. I can happily point you to the references given in my book to the peer-reviewed studies on the subject if you're interested. My point isn't blunted by who or what causes 'climate change' or, to be more precise, flooding in Ireland. My point is that recent episodes have confirmed that Ireland is not prepared even for mild flooding episodes, much less the full blown catastrophic scenarios we might encounter in the future. As in 2007, 2008, and 2009, there are areas in Ireland which will, no doubt, flood in 2010 and 2011, climate change or not, ice age or not. These areas need to be protected, regardless of the cause of their flooding. You should read the Irish economy blog's take on the CRU-gate, it doesn't seem like the case for climate change has been blunted in any way, shape, or form. It seems like some rather unpleasant personal information was shared, and the data they produce called into question as a result, but the data used for other, more robust scientific holds up well, so the case for climate change remains pretty strong. From the blog: "Doubt has been cast over the CRU data. Insiders never really trusted their data, and it is actually little used as an input to other climate research. The global mean temperature record is used for communication rather than research. Most of the temperature graphs you have seen in the newspaper are from the CRU, but independent research has corroborated their main findings. Statistical analyses similarly have used alternative data series, and the results are broadly the same." http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/11/23/crugate/ Hi Norman,

Thanks for your comment.

I’m not a fanatic about climate change. I’ve examined the ICARUS data and simulation methods myself, observation by observation. I can happily point you to the references given in my book to the peer-reviewed studies on the subject if you’re interested.

My point isn’t blunted by who or what causes ‘climate change’ or, to be more precise, flooding in Ireland.

My point is that recent episodes have confirmed that Ireland is not prepared even for mild flooding episodes, much less the full blown catastrophic scenarios we might encounter in the future. As in 2007, 2008, and 2009, there are areas in Ireland which will, no doubt, flood in 2010 and 2011, climate change or not, ice age or not. These areas need to be protected, regardless of the cause of their flooding.

You should read the Irish economy blog’s take on the CRU-gate, it doesn’t seem like the case for climate change has been blunted in any way, shape, or form. It seems like some rather unpleasant personal information was shared, and the data they produce called into question as a result, but the data used for other, more robust scientific holds up well, so the case for climate change remains pretty strong.

From the blog:

“Doubt has been cast over the CRU data. Insiders never really trusted their data, and it is actually little used as an input to other climate research. The global mean temperature record is used for communication rather than research. Most of the temperature graphs you have seen in the newspaper are from the CRU, but independent research has corroborated their main findings. Statistical analyses similarly have used alternative data series, and the results are broadly the same.”

http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/11/23/crugate/

]]> By: Norman http://www.stephenkinsella.net/2009/11/23/recent-flooding-only-a-taste-of-things-to-come/#comment-13420 Norman Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:54:53 +0000 http://www.stephenkinsella.net/?p=3026#comment-13420 Does proof mean nothing to you and your fellow 'climate change' fanatics? Since global warming has stopped since 1998, you revert to the catch-all 'climate change', as if changing climate were a new thing. You're aware of the ice ages, no? Also, what caused previous flooding in Ireland (eg, Dublin in 1954)? You sound like those manipulators of data in the CRU who were exposed last week as liars and frauds. Does proof mean nothing to you and your fellow ‘climate change’ fanatics? Since global warming has stopped since 1998, you revert to the catch-all ‘climate change’, as if changing climate were a new thing. You’re aware of the ice ages, no? Also, what caused previous flooding in Ireland (eg, Dublin in 1954)?
You sound like those manipulators of data in the CRU who were exposed last week as liars and frauds.

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